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Transition music

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  • Started 9 months ago by Andrea Berardi
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  1. Andrea Berardi
    Member

    There's lots of eco-documentaries around now that deal with transition related subjects, but I'm curious to hear from people whether they have come across any "transition music"?

    The group Show of Hands released an album in 2006 where I'm convinced they were singing about Rob Hopkins :-) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l89HFkWwtDw

    there is also a brilliant rap by Juice Media:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBzR0-j0O0o

    and of course, the remake of "Beds Are Burning":
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBTZOg6l6cA&feature=player_embedded

    any others people have come across?

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  2. Ah, now you're talking about two of my passions! All depends on what qualifies I guess.

    There are Seize The Day, who have performed at lots of Transition events:
    http://www.seizetheday.org/videos.cfm

    Actually, there's quite a bit of folk stuff out there, but my personal favourite song from other genres would be Ani DiFranco's Self Evident, which she put out shortly after 9-11:
    http://www.righteousbabe.com/self_evident.mp3

    Incidentally, there was also an article on Grist recently discussing the outpouring of terrible environmental songs, and including examples good and bad:
    http://www.grist.org/article/2009-08-05-songs-climate-change-cringeworthy-madonna-miley-jared-leto

    Funnily enough I was talking to Nick Cave about this the other week. For me, he is a master of the beautiful heart-rending love song, and he gave a lecture once about what he termed "duende" - the awareness of the possibility of loss which he believes must suffuse any love song that comes across as genuine, rather than the stuff of saccharine pop music. As he put it:

    "All love songs must contain duende. For the love song is never truly happy. It must first embrace the potential for pain. Those songs that speak of love without having within in their lines an ache or a sigh are not love songs at all but rather Hate Songs disguised as love songs, and are not to be trusted. These songs deny us our humanness and our God-given right to be sad and the air-waves are littered with them."

    I think he's on to something there (but then I do run a website called Dark Optimism!), but what seems strange to me is that of course we live in a time in which the potential for loss and pain is greater than ever, a time when we could lose not just the one we love, but the very setting in which anyone could find love. So if Mr. Cave is correct, surely this vast potential for loss should open the door also to the greatest love songs of all time? And yet the average song about the environment is instead - to my ear at least - earnest and annoying.

    We didn't reach any spectacular conclusions, but I'd love to hear others' thoughts, and of course more suggestions about great songs that may be lurking out there.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  3. DaveDann
    Member

    I'd often thought about starting a Transition music thread, so 'thank you' Andrea.
    Music should, of course, be localised, sociable and inclusive. I live in N Devon and consider that, on any Saturday night, I ought to be able to go to a dance within ten miles - I'm still working on that.
    I'd encourage anyone to explore their local folk/ acoustic scene if they want low carbon footprint and a link to local traditions. Often people just play in bar 'sessions' and there is usually a chance to sing. We are hopefully just about to start a singing get together in my own hamlet (having been to a couple of workshops). Anyone can sing and it's free.
    For an example of the possible richness of local scenes see
    http://www.johnculf.co.uk/hfolk/index.htm for S Devon.
    And festivals (many of which are very family friendly)
    http://www.folkandroots.co.uk/festivals.html

    I'd like to hear of any local music/song/dance initiatives.

    And from the wonderful 'Show of Hands'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5h4PFBuzvw

    Posted 9 months ago #
  4. Not sure if it's quite what you had in mind, but for the power of music and dance to heal individuals and communities, I suggest taking a look at:
    http://www.dance-united.com/

    I was blown away.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  5. Hey Shaun... that was a very impressive piece of namedropping, very casual and completely shameless. Good stuff. In the same way that novels about Transition are generally dreadful and very obvious,

    Posted 9 months ago #
  6. ooops.. as I was saying... I suspect that most obviously Transitional music would be likewise, and agree with Shaun (and Nick!) that it is more about reflecting the deeper emotions involved. Sieze the Day have been mentioned, would never play them at home, but live their Flying song always chokes me up. There is an interesting Detroit Techno record called 'Transition' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52q-K7HKumI. , if you like that kind of thing.

    I have heard a couple of folkie songs about Transition which have been toe curlingly bad. For me, I need something with a bit more oomph. This track by DJ Spooky and Saul Williams always makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SalADQAcjQ&feature=related. Also Nick Drake's 'From the Morning' is rather wonderful, "and now we rise, and we are everywhere..." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2JjJPDz3EE

    I just seem to listen to The Fall all the time at the moment, and Can. Nothing obviously Transitional, but I suspect that often it is the music that really floated our boats between 13 and 16 that we return to for support, and the Fall are the greatest English band of the last 30 years (in my opinion... Nick needn't feel offended, being Australian!), cynical observers of English life, with the surreal and the poetic thrown in. The Fall would be hugely dismissive of Transition I'm sure, but don't we need to keep a balance in our lives?!!
    Best wishes
    Rob

    Posted 9 months ago #
  7. Andrea Berardi
    Member

    I like Dave's suggestion that music should follow transition principles and be "localised, sociable and inclusive". It has certainly made me look at music (and Rob?) in a slightly different light (why does the imagery of Rob in a nun's outfit encouraging us to sing along to "Do a deer, a female deer, Re, a drop of golden sun......." spring to mind? :-) )

    Okay, on a more serious note -- the folk music movement is certainly going through a massive revival at the moment with, for example, Mercury prize-winning Rachel Unthank and the Winterset (e.g. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46-DWHz2iKQ ) and Bellowhead taking up as residential artists within the Southbank. It's also great to see stuff happening elsewhere with the upsurge in popular interest in almost extinct folk music such as Klezmer. But I have to confess to still being more of a spectator than a participant -- although I've now splashed out on a couple of ukuleles (you've got to start somewhere!!)

    And there's lots of "participative drumming" springing up all over the place, from samba groups to djembe circles.

    It reminds me of the response I got from an atheist who insisted on going to church every Sunday: "I love the singing!"

    Could we sing, play and dance into a transition future? :-)

    Posted 9 months ago #
  8. DaveDann
    Member

    I think it's true that a lot of folkies consider many other peoples' choice of music to be like shopping at T*sc*. Why do it, just because the packaging is better?
    And it has never occurred to the folkies NOT to sing, play and dance into the future. Frankly there are people in all sorts of other movements to whom Transition is just a little upstart.
    I know some good 'green' friends of mine who will regularly drive 25 miles and return to Exeter for a film and it is true that too much of my own mileage involves trying to seek entertainment. Some people in an arts organisation here told me that certain festival organisers had calculated that most of the carbon footprint of their event was in spectator travel and that this provided a good argument for support of local music.
    Try this for commitment:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPaW8xnBBi8 or
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrdl4ijru8o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3IyMnKrlk
    ... our anthem ...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKmpA_A6RBA&feature=related
    dance?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXmTvZJEkaU
    Cheers
    Dave

    Posted 9 months ago #
  9. Turtle
    Member

    Ben Lee- Float On
    I highly suggest listening to the Love Casts of Queer Ninja :)
    Find them with a Google Search of " The Sounds of the World Wide Weed "

    Posted 9 months ago #
  10. Glad you enjoyed the namedropping Rob - I've had some interesting conversations with Saul Williams too as it happens! And he's possibly my favourite live performer. My song pick would be his collaboration with Zack de la Rocha (formerly of Rage Against the Machine):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgFwHd7lr4g&feature=related

    Sets me tingling and reaffirms my resolve every time I hear it. There's a lot of anger in there, but I love:

    "I can be all I can be and do much more than I'm paid to
    And I won't be a slave to
    What authorities say do
    My desire,
    to live within a nation on fire
    Where creative passions burn and raise the stakes ever higher
    Where no person is addicted to some twisted supplier
    Who promotes the sort of freedom sold to the highest buyer
    We demand a truth naturally at one with the land
    Not a plant that photosynthesises bombs on demand
    Or a search for any weapons we let fall from our hands
    I got beats and a plan
    I'mma do what I can
    And what you do
    is question everything they say do
    Every goal, ideal or value they keep pushing on you
    If they ask you to believe it question whether it's true
    If they ask you to achieve, is it for them or for you?"

    (full lyrics at: http://tinyurl.com/yh568l8 - click "more info" in the top right)

    Well, if nothing else, we're proving that Transition successfully reaches a diversity of musical tastes!

    Posted 9 months ago #
  11. Here's another one, this by Terra Naomi. It's called "Something Good to Show You".
    Watch it at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLeX58GSZQ

    Oh my god this is our life
    We're living like their victims
    Living like the captives
    Tired of sitting thinking dark thoughts
    Contemplating motion
    Time to become active

    Do you know that your lies
    Burn as bright as the bombs
    You're dropping on the innocent?

    And we've got something good to show you
    And you don't wanna miss this
    You don't wanna miss this one

    How will you answer the questions
    How will you defend
    The murders you've instructed
    We know there are many reasons
    People take to killing
    Reasons they've constructed

    Will you try to deny
    All the damage you've done
    Or will you try to bow out gracefully

    And we've got something good to show you
    And you don't wanna miss this
    You don't wanna miss this one

    You don't wanna be late for the party
    Advertisers cash in on all the beauty
    The power of all humanity admitting that we got it wrong
    We got it wrong again

    And we the people have now spoken
    Pack up your belongings
    Sail across the ocean
    And face all that you have created
    In the name of god's love
    A thin shield for your hatred

    You can never repair
    All the damage you've done
    But we'll rebuild even stronger

    cause we've got something good to show you
    And you don't wanna miss this
    You don't wanna miss this one...

    Posted 9 months ago #
  12. benbrangwyn

    How about "You're the voice" by John Farnham? It was released in 1986, topping charts worldwide.

    Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99P7TTvpO1g

    As one of the writers says, "It's an anti-war song in a way, but it was more of a 'make your voice heard' kind of thing. Wake up to your own power."

    Here are the lyrics:

      We have
      The chance to turn pages over
      We can write what we want to write
      We gotta make ends meet before we get much older
      We're all someone's daughter
      We're all someone's son
      How long can we look at each other
      Down the barrel of a gun?

      You're the voice try and understand it
      Make a noise and make it clear
      We're not gonna live in silence
      We're not gonna live in fear
      Whoa oh oh

      This time
      We know we all can stand together
      We have the power to be powerful
      Believing we can make it better

      We're all someone's daughter
      We're all someone's son
      How long can we look at each other
      Down the barrel of a gun?

      You're the voice try and understand it
      Make a noise and make it clear
      We're not gonna live in silence
      We're not gonna live in fear

    This song gets to me every time. It was playing in the restaurant when I proposed to Cath, my wife.

    Seems like the social justice aspects of transition are coming out in this thread. That's good.

    Posted 9 months ago #
  13. DaveDann
    Member

    Two musicians and their stories...

    Kate Rusby
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wu6ferJrjVQ

    Eliza
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJV-GRQS2Hc

    Posted 8 months ago #
  14. DaveDann
    Member

    Indigenous (to Sussex) music

    http://imaginedvillage.com/audiovideo/16/

    Posted 8 months ago #
  15. This thread has reminded me how lucky I am that the other people who're part of our west Norfolk (Downham Market & Villages) transition group include musicians. It makes for sociable gatherings with homegrown entertainment that can draw people in. It also gives us a way of countering any suggestions that we're 'doom & gloom merchants'. It enriches the intellectual and practical sides our our work. It works alongside shared meals to encourage us to model (mostly) a more local, more sociable, way of living.

    And it's given birth to a new band that first appeared in public last autumn after a showing of The Age of Stupid. 'The John Preston Tribute Band' performed John's own songs penned for the occasion - about shopping, rage and self importance. They were well received, the band has made additional appearances (tho' no further afield than Norwich), and a CD 'Reduced to clear' has just been launched. 'Slack Rock from the worlds first DIY tribute band. Ian Dury meets The Clash under the influence of Zen.'

    Perhaps John will share some of his lyrics here or through the band's proposed website?

    Posted 7 months ago #
  16. Very interesting thread!

    I think that since music is sound and therefore it is vibration, this vibration has a very special impact on us.

    What about the music they play in supermarkets to make you buy more? That's amazing. When I go to a health store and hear the relaxing music there, I don't really want to buy anything I don't really need, what about that? hahaha. The music in supermarkets is stressfull on purpose, so people, unconsciously buy anxiously, leaving the quickest possible, without thinking too much what they really need. During the Christmas season this is just crazy. I've payed special attention to that in the supermarkets I go.

    My kind of music is the music that feeds the soul, that fills you with a deep sense of meaning, that re-connects you with your inner self. Inmortal sound that keeps playing within you! :D

    Some music out there is just...noise. A disposable music.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  17. Ok, so this one relies on a techno-fix but the kids might like it...

    They Might Be Giants - Electric Car
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAv6M1Bai0c

    Posted 7 months ago #
  18. Hello!

    I was alerted to this post by the TT update digest which lands in my mailbox. Music is what I do... am I allowed to blow my own trumpet here? I'm sure the moderators will remove this if it's considered inappropriate, in which case I do apologise, but I hope that what I have to offer may be a useful resource for TT people reading this.

    I am a songwriter and a singer. I write amd perform contemporary folk songs with guitar and bouzouki, and my heart's in the green movement. I love to sing to people who 'get it'. I'll happily sing to those who don't, and there's humour and whimsy in my songs rather than a relentless 2x4 over the head. My songs tell stories, and they suggest narratives.

    I can offer (among others):

    'Kitchen Heroes' - a whimsical anthem to self-sufficiency, featuring Oliver Postgate and Elizabeth David.
    'Wolf at Your Door' - a blackly funny take on the 'someone should do something' brigade.
    'Jam Tomorrow' - why politics isn't working, according to the Red Queen.
    'Camel' - a song shorter than I am. Peak oil in four lines.
    'A Change of Heart' - a green 'yes we can' song, inspired by Westmill Wind Farm.

    I won't bang on about green issues for a whole gig if it's an outreach event - I have songs about books, history, fairytales and the secret world of teabags as well.

    I love working unplugged, and I won't price myself out of a gig if at all possible, though frankly I'd rather not be out of pocket either. This is what I do, and I would like to do more of it with the TT community.

    There. I didn't even plug the album. My website is www.talis.net in case anyone is interested in finding out more. Thank you.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  19. Hi Guys,

    I'm new to the forum, but a friend of mine, Claire, suggested I come and join in being as I'm a musician doing exactly this kind of thing...

    I love using music to spread positive messages of change, and also simply using music as a social commentary to inform people about subjects they may not neccessarily be aware of. One thing I've discovered over the years is that you can try to convince someone of a certain truth for hours using words alone and get nowhere, but put it to a tune and make it rhyme and they see it straight away! Maybe it's a manipulative trick and I'm actually brainwashing people by seducing them with my funky grooves... but I think not... I think there's just something slightly less confrontational and more heartfelt about a song than a lecture.. it's speaks to people directly, opening them up to new ideas.

    That said, it is very difficult to write about real issues without sounding trite or cheesy or preachy. Few manage to do it well. But the ones that do are well worth a listen!

    So here's my list:

    Me - The Undercover Hippy (of course I'm first!)
    http://www.undercoverhippy.com

    Dizraeli and Baba Brinkman - The Rebel Cell (a hip-hop play)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diGf7V0BWOM

    Samsara - http://www.myspace.com/samsara5

    Zen Elephant - http://www.myspace.com/zenelephant

    MC Xander - http://www.myspace.com/mcxander

    King Porter Stomp - http://www.myspace.com/kingporterstomp

    I could write more but have to get on! Need to promote my gig for next thursday... at the Junction in Bristol if anyone's round my way! I'll come back and post some more artist links later as I know so many concious artists from the festival circuit and they all deserve a mention!

    Universal peas and all that.

    Billy xx

    Posted 7 months ago #
  20. DaveDann
    Member

    The future will include ritual music to celebrate the seasons on the land. Just now in the apple growing counties of the west of England it's wassail time.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lEugNiQmtg

    Posted 7 months ago #
  21. DaveDann
    Member

    Accessibility of the music is important. Some people think that the cheap ukulele is the way forward and schools in Devon can now borrow sets of the instruments.

    http://www.musicmanifesto.co.uk/have-your-say/topic/21037
    http://www.ukuleleorchestra.com/main/home.aspx
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/clubbing/article-23707165-karaoke-with-a-ukulele-twang.do

    Seems a pity to me that it's not tuned GDAE so that people could move on to the mando or the fiddle...

    Posted 7 months ago #
  22. Hi!

    Nice to find this thread this morning! I've just got here to try and write some down on this tiny keyboard on my phone in my garden.

    I'm an experimental musician (among other things) with a studio in Stokes Croft's Coexist in Bristol, where I work partly to put together a hackspace for Bristol. A hackspace is a kind of electronics and fabrication oriented shared warehouse and event space for inventing things and to run courses and events. Hackspace members have already made some interesting electronic like these pisano bikes: http://code.google.com/p/pisanomatic/, and I am trying to make an outdoors installation of sensors for Maker Faire in Newcastle so that temperature is drone, nocturnal soil moisture readings make melody and charge is length of the piece. I have no idea if it will work!

    (Ok now I have moved to the laptop, after much faffing...) My last project, in December was called Green Noise Experiment at the Arnolfini Art Centre here in Bristol where I played people green noise versus white and pink. Green noise is a filtered white noise that is mostly around the 500hz range, which is very much like the sound of a waterfall, flock of birds or a boiler even - an ambient sound which can sound both urban and natural. I put people in a hypnagogic state by covering their eyes with ping pong ball halves in a darkened part of the gallery while they listened to green noise for 10 or 20 minutes at a time. This created a very pleasurable, somehow spiritual experience involving sensory distortion, dreamlike experiences and strong relaxation for lots of people whilst at the same time they listened to what in other circumstances might be seen as pure noise.

    As a musician, I think being in the post peak society means being able to be a truly multimedia artist doing your own album covers, and even casing, posters, tickets, stamps, sorting out the sound and even videoing concerts and producing them, because all this is now available at a small scale for diy production both in software and hardware.

    On another level I personally feel it's about letting go of centralised band or group structures in favour of loose associations of people or organisations where everyone just participates in some way. Through collective or self organised decision making a different sort of music emerges, frequently dictated by subconscious or learned changes and responses between musicians as people play. The poetic, spoken aspect and the content of any words can also be influenced by these changes in structure, although a lot of it I think will always be a personal expression, and I recently created an improvisation score where performers could choose any one of Holmgren's 12 laws of permaculture and follow it or use it as inspiration or direction for a minute at a time.

    I am one of a few core members of the Orchestra Cube in the Cube Cinema, another autonomous art space in Bristol. It's a free participative orchestra where anyone can turn up and play or suggest collaborations and ideas. On Sunday, I hope, orchestra members will play the incidental sounds for a Buster Keaton film, where children will be given balloons and newspaper to make more sound effects with, and encouraged to bring instruments to join in with, while Buster is chased around on a bike by a gang of kidnappers.

    We have been going for almost 6 years and in that time we've been to many places including the Sunrise Gathering where we really didn't fit in - our music is urban and strange, not always bright or happy, and certainly more of an exploration of exercises than a folk outfit. There is an interesting bunch who have met in the beautifully echoey St Stephens Church in Exeter who improvise melodically and are made of whoever turns up much like us, but who are more acoustic and are called Children of the Drone. They publish all their music in Creative Commons Licensed collections on Archive.org and sound like a beautiful campfire experience. (Back at the festival, we ended up regrouping together with Saz playing Droner, (and mathematician) Matthew and played some acoustic sets which went down a lot better).

    Musically I love improvised music and I play an uzbek lute as well as tabla and guitar and I think it's a great form of expression and basis for creativity as opposed to rehearsing a written piece - and gives a lot of release and expression, many times a basis for writing these pieces for other people to practice. I think improvising is very close to some people due to the ability for personal expression it gives and this campfire aspect, the shared creativity thing, in it's many different shapes and sizes. I think a lot of modern expectations of music that is ecological in some way have roots in the 100 years or so during which recordings have been accessible in some way, before which things must have been quite different, and needed someone to actually travel to where you were. Other things that might stop but also might alter music in a huge way now are the coming and present migrations bringing new music with them and mixing with what is there at the fringes. The quick air and car travel might change this radically, and we might once again be amazed to see some exotic musicians passing through the area as a unique phenomenon instead of a passing convenience.

    I love the urban sounds of the city and how that noise and intensity comes out in the music people make here in Bristol. I think we are going to see much more non standard recordings with these local bands - using novel media beyond CDs or USB keys, and eventually sound generated and produced using novel means even just out of necessity, such as using natural amplification rather than electrically powered, and using many other changes in instrument making and the way media is distributed and venues and events are run. All these things are going to be influenced by cultural and economic change as the world runs out of the things it needs in it's production and consumption today.

    We use this really expensive recording and performing equipment for example, made in factories around the world with ugly conditions and diseases for workers. A good side of this huge pile of gadgets we find ourselves in is that in these past 50 years we have enormously decreased the cost of this equipment and electronics available in the world will be valuable to us still for some time according to how inventive we can be with it all. I think telecommunications and the ability to send or hear music across long distances - a 20th century technology which I think will still be around in the far future in some way or other. All the unsustainable production methods, materials and mining however might soon or already be slowing down or stopping, so I think it's crucial that the next step for artists be to keep following a path of green production and creativity deeper and deeper across all aspects of what they do.

    Here are some links about all this in case you want to join in with any of it and are in the area:
    http://www.childrenofthedrone.net/
    http://orchestra.cubecinema.com/
    http://www.craftivism.net/wiki/GreenNoise
    http://bristol.hackspace.org.uk/

    Hope to hear more about people's perception of green/ecologically oriented music, a very interesting subject!

    Ale

    Posted 7 months ago #
  23. DaveDann
    Member

    I suppose 'organisation', of the right type and at the right level is a key factor in the future of music.
    In North Devon the Beaford Arts organisation has evolved a system whereby full time workers seek out promising arts acts locally, nationally and internationally. Organisations within the local community (e.g. village hall committee, parish council, random group of friends) can then decide that they might want to promote events. A Promoters' Evening is held a couple of times a year and the available acts are 'showcased'. The potential promoters then 'bid' for the acts and they are allocated to each one as a result.

    http://www.beaford-arts.org.uk/index.php?id=6

    Current programme is listed here:
    http://www.beaford-arts.org.uk/index.php?id=202

    As a result international acts can reach the remotest of venues. A community of promoters is also encouraged to grow.

    Posted 7 months ago #
  24. Hi guys,

    I saw this thread so thought I would say 'hello'. I am a musician making what is broadly psychedelic electronica, I have one CD available called "Lightning Harvest", and it is very much a Transition concept album.

    The cover art is by legendary psychedelic artist John Hurford, with contributions from pyrographic artist Bud Hnetka and Permaculturalist Graham Burnett. The music I made myself.

    Available from www.solarbud.co.uk if anyone is interested, or catch you at Bearded Theory Festival in the dance tent in May this year.

    All the best,

    Andy

    Posted 7 months ago #
  25. DaveDann
    Member

    Deep in the dark, unpublicised corners of society lurk those who can
    teach the 'great re-skilling' of non fossil fuel powered entertainment.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBYBvFZ_qL4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sEDh8wTu7c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-XTbkchJt4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEGbAdwQCDs

    Posted 7 months ago #

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